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Interview with Dr. Henry Marshall

April 2, 1997
Dr. Henry Marshall
"...What I'm developing, and what we've tried to develop in the last past few years, is a global youth mission outreach..."

MS. MORRIS: Dr. Henry Marshall, April 2, 1997 for the "Speak To My Heart" exhibit. We're also here with photographer . Thank you. [General conversation] 
MS. MORRIS: Well, thank you very much, Deacon, for agreeing to give us some information about Bible Reach Church. How long have you been a member here? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, I've been a member here for almost forty years. 
MS. MORRIS: My goodness. Forty years. You came here as a young boy? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. Relatively young. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that right? And so you're a deacon, but are you also a preacher? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, in the office of a Deacon, you preach, you teach, you exalt, you do it all. 
MS. MORRIS: So you teach here in Sunday School? You teach in Bible study? 
DEACON MARSHALL: I teach Bible studies. I taught in the training school [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: You have a training school here? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes, we do. 
MS. MORRIS: Does your ministry [inaudible]? 
DEACON MARSHALL: My ministry right now is into many small missions. Different places, different countries. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that right? 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: You have international missions now? 
DEACON MARSHALL: We have international missions now. 
MS. MORRIS: So where are you? This is very interesting. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well -- 
MS. MORRIS: A lot of churches don't have that. 
DEACON MARSHALL: You know, Bible Way, is -- I can't give you all the places, but we're in Africa. We're in England. We're in Ireland. We're in South America. We're in India. 
MS. MORRIS: You have churches there? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. 
MS. MORRIS: And you tend to those churches? 
DEACON MARSHALL: No, I have not attended all of them. 
MS. MORRIS: I mean do you tend to them? You send monies to them? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. Oh, yes. We will support them in different ways. Different ways. Sometimes, in some of the areas with clothing, with food, with extra money, with educational materials, with medical materials. 
MS. MORRIS: That's wonderful. 
DEACON MARSHALL: We're trying. We're trying. 
MS. MORRIS: That is wonderful. And that's what you do? over there? 
DEACON MARSHALL: No, I'm not head of it. I'm not head of it. We have -- the organization Bible Way Church, worldwide. 
MS. MORRIS: Right. 
DEACON MARSHALL: And the world wide aspect of it also has certain things. We do a lot for our big mission in Liberia. Do a lot of work for that particular mission. But -- 
MS. MORRIS: So you have a big mission in Liberia, has been under a lot of political duress right now. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. 
MS. MORRIS: So can you just tell me something about what's going on over there? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, right now, in the mission, in the school -- of course, the school was overrun. All the books, and the desks, and everything was just taken. The beds and everything. A lot of things out of teacher's quarters and things like that. So now what we're in the process of trying to do, they had 300 orphans that are now staying on the compound, which -- orphans from the war. So we're feeding and taking care of them, on that particular campus there. And then you have your regular staff members, things of that nature. That is being taken care of. And of course, they don't have too much of an income. So we try and send money over, clothing and things. 
MS. MORRIS: That's -- have you been over there? 
DEACON MARSHALL: I haven't been from Liberia. I just got back from Nigeria. [Inaudible] Nigeria last -- '95. 
MS. MORRIS: How long have you had this mission? 
DEACON MARSHALL: The mission? We've been in the mission since 19 -- the mission being started in -- I think [inaudible] forty years. Almost forty years, I believe. 
MS. MORRIS: That was about 1964? 
DEACON MARSHALL: I think 1967, probably. 
MS. MORRIS: So they just got in when you came. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. Something like that. 
MS. MORRIS: And has it gotten greater in missions, or less in missions, in the last thirty years? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, I think the contributions have become less, but the outreach has become more. 
MS. MORRIS: Could you explain that? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, you know, missions -- our missions probably take maybe about sixty, $75,000.00 a year, which we were sending over. And of course, as the years approach, everything goes up. And in the latter years, our mission, our total mission monies, I think, has dropped. But that does not mean we're not building churches. Bible Way worldwide built a church in, I think it was Uganda last year. 
MS. MORRIS: Do you know where in Uganda? 
DEACON MARSHALL: I don't know exactly where. But it was a pretty big edifice. And there's -- to what degree the church is open in India, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the monies that [inaudible] the national . But from here, we sent quite a bit of money. But it's still not enough. Because we have not touched China yet. And China is one of the places where the people are really suffering for the cause of Christ. And so personally, I, myself, I feel that any brother who's going to suffer and put his life on the line to stay with Christ, definitely needs protection from us. 
MS. MORRIS: So what exactly do you do? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, what I'm developing, and what we've tried to develop in the last past few years, is a global youth mission outreach. That's what we are working on. 
MS. MORRIS: At which time, what we would do, we would send young people all over the world for small, or what we call mini -- m-i-n-i -- mini-missions. And we feel that what will happen is God will so invigorate them with signs and wonders, that when they come back here, they'll stand on the corners and go into the and get those guns from the young guys. And that's what it's all -- that's what that project is all about. We started that with a couple of visitations, and we've also done some networking [inaudible] in the Bahamas and Jamaica and, of course, they're still waiting on us, and we're waiting [inaudible]. This will be a new project, a new missions project, which will be separate from our mission [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: So when are you planning to start it? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, we have started the network procedure, but we don't want to go any further until we [inaudible] the next -- 
MS. MORRIS: You're heading that up? 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Excellent. That is so good. 
DEACON MARSHALL: We're looking forward to do some great things. This -- one of the things that we're doing, we're going to take a group out to California. There's a church there, that by way of God's miraculous work, [inaudible] and give them a helping hand. They don't belong to our organization. We're going to go out there, we're going to teach, preach, exalt, and testify. And so we're going to have workshops out there. We'll do a very, very comprehensive three-day . We're going out, and everybody that's going is paying their fare. 
MS. MORRIS: You taking youth? 
DEACON MARSHALL: We're taking some young people and some people. We're taking some people who are well-experienced in teaching, and running Bible class and Bible school, and some who's teaching. So we're trying to get a good, rounded group and we'll go out there and we'll help them. That's what it's about. 
MS. MORRIS: You're going to stay there for three days and build up that ministry with teaching? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Right. Hopefully -- three days of workshop, all day long. And you know, take some little breaks, and then at night, too. 
MS. MORRIS: That [inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: So we want to -- that's what we plan on doing. 
MS. MORRIS: And you're going to do that -- that sounds like it's coming up soon. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's coming up soon. That's going to be in April. 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, my goodness. That's this month. 
DEACON MARSHALL: This month, right. 
MS. MORRIS: My goodness. 
DEACON MARSHALL: So -- 
MS. MORRIS: Do you have the number of people who are going? 
DEACON MARSHALL: We were trying to get at least ten people. Right now, we have eight people going, and -- 
MS. MORRIS: I'll go. 
DEACON MARSHALL: -- some others who are talking about going. 
MS. MORRIS: That's fantastic. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's exciting. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that your first time doing that? I mean -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, it won't be my first time, but it will be our first time bringing this group together under this heading of what we're trying to start. 
MS. MORRIS: And this is going to be called the Global Youth Mission Outreach? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Right. 
MS. MORRIS: The mini-missions. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Uh-huh. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. So the first one's going to be in San -- not . You didn't tell me the city. You just said California. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. California. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. So that's -- and it's going to be this month. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay, a three-day mission. So that -- that's all right. And you've got ten people going already. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. 
MS. MORRIS: And that's the beginning of many, many to come. 
DEACON MARSHALL: We are looking at that. We believe that God wants to use Bible Way now for the -- you know, worldwide, as it is. But there has not been an effort some of the parishioners to actually do work worldwide. Now, we also know that many people are very negative about the small missions, short-stay missions. They feel that, give that money to the Mission Board, and let them do what they want to do. 
MS. MORRIS: That sounds good. 
DEACON MARSHALL: And I think that's a good way to do it. But what happens is, it keeps the people in the churches from actually doing more and seeing more and understanding more. 
MS. MORRIS: That's right. It doesn't get their feet wet. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. 
MS. MORRIS: Let them get a little taste of mission -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. 
MS. MORRIS: And it will change them. 
DEACON MARSHALL: It will change -- it can change your whole community. And that's what we want to do. 
MS. MORRIS: They'll be fired up when they come back. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. We want the people to understand that God loves people all over the world and he's got a program, that Kingdom approach, to saving people out of . And so I'm excited. excited about world missions, and we have a presider who's excited about [inaudible] mission. [Inaudible]. And they're [inaudible]. And we know that it doesn't with everybody, because everybody doesn't understand. But missions -- 
MS. MORRIS: It's going to go. It's going to go. It's going to go. I'm a missionary. I'm a former missionary. So I know. I've done many, many, many missions. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Okay. 
MS. MORRIS: So you see, I've got a little . 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. 
MS. MORRIS: That's what I do. I love it. I love it. And let me say this to you. They will be fired up when they come back. I've taken groups, too. To Africa and England, and Scotland, and France. No, not France. Brussels, where they speak French. And . And South Carolina, the Bahamas. 
DEACON MARSHALL: So you've been into it for some time. 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, about six years. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh. 
MS. MORRIS: Yes. And you know, I've missed it. It's wonderful. And that's exactly why they will be fired up. We go in, we teach them how to win souls. And when they go into the area, it's much easier for them, because they don't know anybody. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Uh-huh. 
MS. MORRIS: And so they take them out in the areas where they don't know anybody, and just get them -- and take the local church that we're visiting, teach them the the people that we bring who have already been taught before they get there, and to show them how to go in. And I've also gone in with our ministry teams, where we've gone, you know, to the local churches, and done -- you know, I've taught them how to do a street crusade. And we keep doing street crusade, and bring in the people from all over the area, and then have them go to join -- we have the pastors there to go join [inaudible]. Takes about a week. So I know. I tell you, you fire me -- I just got a -- I'm supposed to be interviewing you, and I want to say, Look. I want to hear more about it for myself. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, we might have to, you know, come and talk with you on it, too. 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, I [inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's what we've been doing. We've been really talking to sources and everything, and we've already done a little bit, because we just want to make sure that when we go, it's not going to be something that's going to be here today and gone tomorrow. 
MS. MORRIS: It's going to change the young people's lives. The young people -- you know, we had delinquents. Their parents didn't know what to do with them. But you see it requires somebody like you. See, without that spirit -- it's got to be somebody who's not going to listen to what the people are saying. Who has that spirit that wants to see folks saved, and wants to see young people energized with the help of the Holy Spirit. And we had people who were delinquents, and their parents couldn't do anything with them. And there was a big project area out in Maryland where nobody wanted to go, because the drug pushers were there. I've got to get myself [inaudible]. Wait a minute. [Recording interruption] 
DEACON MARSHALL: Educators, and everything like that. We haven't been standing still lately. We've been putting things together. And so we feel that [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Yes. Oh. 
DEACON MARSHALL: But we really feel that China is -- 
MS. MORRIS: Is the place. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Is a . We've got to do something there. We know that they suffer -- all the world has its racial problem. And I was talking to -- 
MS. MORRIS: China's going to close up pretty soon, though. I think it's only got a year left right? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. [Inaudible] worried about that. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay [inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible] they went back. They went back. They were going back. And [inaudible] do you know that -- they have a racial problem over there. You know, blacks -- they don't take well to blacks [inaudible]. I said, "You know, then that is even more marvelous. When we go now, I know we're going to do good work." I said, "Because God sends us someplace where people are so quickly to receive" -- you know. And [inaudible]. But when they got to struggle just to receive us, I said, when they receive us, they'll receive the word, because it's the word [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: When you get ready to go to China, please let me know. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: I mean, I'm going to leave my car here. I mean -- we'll see each other during this program, anyway, but I mean, that China mission is going to be exciting. This is the -- you're the first church that has talked about missions. And it's so exciting. They're so exciting. Because this is something that's going to be going on in the next, and this is -- now, I want to just ask you this. You did say why you wanted to do that, and that Bible Way has been into this since 1957, for at least forty years. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's correct. 
MS. MORRIS: But now you want to move on to the mini-missions, because you want to inspire the youth. Do you have a program in the church that works directly with the youth in the neighborhood? I mean, do you have, like, an for community youth? You know, a program that you send them through maybe to get them through training and -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, it's what we call a -- in other words, they don't get a program right in the classroom setting, but the do get it from the junior church. The junior church first takes them out. The Sunday School takes them out. When I was the superintendent, we went out. 
MS. MORRIS: You were the superintendent of Sunday School? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. [Inaudible]. And so that has always been -- the street missions have always been a characteristic of the Bible Way church. Bible Way church started out on the corner. Bishop Williams was a -- what do you call [inaudible]? And that , we have never left it, because we know that it's so strengthening to actually go out to the people. So we have a junior church that goes out, and training on that line. We have a Sunday School that does that -- 
MS. MORRIS: The junior church goes out to the street corners? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, yes. The junior church goes out all over. 
MS. MORRIS: What do they do when they go out? 
DEACON MARSHALL: They go out. The knock on doors. They talk. We have different type of services in the different courts (?), and different places. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that right? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. 
MS. MORRIS: So when are you going to have another ? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, the summer is opening up now. We don't know who's going to be doing things. Our group -- I'm with the . We have a young -- young people; that's what it's called. And we are giving different types of services over in different courts and different places. And even outside. So we do all kinds of radical things. 
MS. MORRIS: So your wife is radical too, huh? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. 
MS. MORRIS: She'd have to be, [inaudible]. [Laughter] 
MS. MORRIS: She doesn't have any choice, right? Do you have children in the church, too? 
DEACON MARSHALL: My daughter is here. My son is in Baltimore, and he's working with the church there in Baltimore. He's very excited about that. 
MS. MORRIS: Anybody in music ministry? 
DEACON MARSHALL: No. Not in -- 
MS. MORRIS: So you're all preachers and teachers? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, my daughter is a writer. My son is sort of like a business guy. 
MS. MORRIS: You say a writer? 
DEACON MARSHALL: She writes creative writing, creative writing, poems. She's a very good writer. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that right? What's her name? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Tracy. 
MS. MORRIS: Tracy Marshall. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Tracy Marshall. 
MS. MORRIS: Talk to me. Where is she? Is she in school, or -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, she was attending. She graduated from Missouri. 
MS. MORRIS: Is she published yet? 
DEACON MARSHALL: She hasn't published yet. She's got a few things that she's got , but she hasn't published anything. And so of course -- 
MS. MORRIS: I'm a writer. 
DEACON MARSHALL: You're a writer, too? 
MS. MORRIS: Uh-huh. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: That's why I was asking. I was just trying to see where is she. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. Well, she's done -- she's done some things -- the latest things that she's been doing. She's been working for some of the missions. And she's been doing some of the letter writings, you know, and those letters come to you. She writes -- 
MS. MORRIS: For here? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Not for our church, but for a different, nationally known mission program. She's [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that right? So she does actually, like, PR letters. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. 
MS. MORRIS: So she's really writing for a profession. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, yes. She's -- 
MS. MORRIS: Tracy Marshall. Well, I'll remember that name when I see her. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: She's here at Bible Way, though? 
DEACON MARSHALL: She's attending church here? 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, right. You know, she's going to go far. That's right. So excellent. That's a young woman. How old is she? 
DEACON MARSHALL: She's thirty. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. So that's fantastic. That's interesting. So we've got the street preachers that are going out, and when they come in, they bring the people in, they're inducted through the youth church, or -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Or whatever. It just depends on who's coming in. Say like if someone -- if a team goes out and somebody says, "Okay. I want to be baptized now, and everything," well, we'll bring them in, depending on their age. Our church is set up to try to accommodate age, and also social position. And -- 
MS. MORRIS: You say social position? 
DEACON MARSHALL: In other words, suppose you're an unwed mother. There's a certain place for you to come where you'd probably feel more comfortable. 
MS. MORRIS: Meaning that -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: You'd be placed in one of the group that would have people in there your age. You might feel a little bit uncomfortable, since you have a child. 
MS. MORRIS: Wonderful. 
DEACON MARSHALL: So we'll you to another . 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, so you have, like little cell groups. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. We call them [inaudible] -- 
MS. MORRIS: Oh. Okay. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's the [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: And this is a concept that's just recent, because these cell groups were started, like, in the last -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, the cell groups, what you all call cell groups, but the fellowships that we've had have been since our inception. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that right? 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. 
MS. MORRIS: So Bible Way has always had them? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Has always had them. 
MS. MORRIS: Are they called circles? Are they called -- what do you call them? 
DEACON MARSHALL: We call them fellowships. 
MS. MORRIS: Is that right? 
DEACON MARSHALL: But it's the same thing if you call them circles. Some call them cell groups. And some call them home study groups. It's the same thing. 
MS. MORRIS: And they work with the people, and you have different ones -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Work with the people. And we have -- we have, I think, about thirty-two auxiliaries right now. 
MS. MORRIS: Thirty-two. 
DEACON MARSHALL: About thirty-two. 
MS. MORRIS: How many members have you got? Five thousand? 
DEACON MARSHALL: About -- no, not that many. I think we're talking about something like thirty-five, thirty-seven hundred. But it has been as many as five, six thousand people. 
MS. MORRIS: I remember. I know. I remember [inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: So, has it recently declined, or is it growing? 
DEACON MARSHALL: It has declined, I think, with the pastor's passing. 
MS. MORRIS: Right. 
DEACON MARSHALL: And then I know a bit before then. Things were beginning to spread out. 
MS. MORRIS: Well, one of the things I would like to do -- I know we're going to shoot this [inaudible], from the tent to the temple. When we do the artifacts from Bible Way, I'm thinking, you've had two things recently. You just started a new pastor. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Uh-huh. 
MS. MORRIS: And you buried -- the burial of Smallwood Williams was a historical event for the Washington area. Are there any, like, programs or something from his funeral, or something that we might be able to get from you -- not today -- that we could put in the exhibit? Because his -- you know, his homegoing -- what was it? Was it a week long, you know? I mean, it was a major event here. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. 
MS. MORRIS: You know, and thousands of people turned out. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. We have some things. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. I mean, Smallwood Williams' funeral would be something that would be -- something that would be, be somehow -- I don't know, maybe the program. I don't know what other kind of, you know, maybe hands on type of thing you could put in a case. Maybe -- you know, maybe one of his -- I don't know if -- something he may have used. You know, . Dr. Lowell talked about that. But I would think that from Bible Way, you know, except for Daddy Grace, I don't think there's a more famous preacher in this area, that started his church right here. Is that -- Bishop McCullough's church is -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. 
MS. MORRIS: But, you know, Smallwood Williams, this was Washington, D.C. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. 
MS. MORRIS: And that -- so that was a major, you know, anybody from Washington, D.C. [inaudible]. So I think we should have something representing -- that in the last thirty years, this was a great man, you know. So I want you to think about that. 
DEACON MARSHALL: I think I have some things. I don't know anything [inaudible]. I mean, there's a lot of things [inaudible] the pastor as to -- 
MS. MORRIS: He's received a lot of awards, too. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, yeah. 
MS. MORRIS: And so if we could even -- you know, we could probably, you know, maybe have a section with some awards of his or his robe. You know, something. I mean -- you know, we'll come up with something, right? 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: The other question I wanted to ask you -- I'm not going to keep you long. Looking at the two sanctuaries, when have you the sanctuaries, you know, [inaudible]. When they were making the transition -- because there stage where it was not . I mean, it's just for today. But when the decision was made in addition to needing more room to accommodate people -- because that seats 3,000 people -- what were some of the changes that, you know, were decided that we need -- we needed to update to accommodate the new generation? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, of course, the area of communications. I think that was the major, major input. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. 
DEACON MARSHALL: We knew -- we had been on TV before, but we knew that outreach program [inaudible] the gospel. So we -- we went to TV. We also looked around at other radio stations, and we looked at prime broadcasting. 
MS. MORRIS: So are you still on TV? 
DEACON MARSHALL: We're not on TV right now. 
MS. MORRIS: But you have been? 
DEACON MARSHALL: What we've done, we've sort of called in for a redesign, because with the passing of Bishop Williams [inaudible] the format that we had, in the sense that we no longer had him [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: When you're saying "contemporary," what do you mean? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, you've got to remember that Bishop Williams was -- what? An icon, or what? Whatever . So whichever way he did it -- 
MS. MORRIS: It was good enough. 
DEACON MARSHALL: It was good enough, and people expected that from him. But when someone else attempted to do it his way, [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: [Inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. So we -- we've been trying to reformat not only our -- not only the TV, but also our radio program [inaudible]. So those kind of things. Then there has been a -- a little more of a social outreach. Now, Bible Way does not teach the social gospel. As much as Bishop Williams was in the political arena and everything like that, our major emphasis was to make sure that we were movers, but at the same time that we were not moved by the political scene, got into. We wanted to make sure that we maintained, maintained a gospel approach and not a social gospel approach, but that real, true gospel . So what we have done in our social outreach has been quite quiet and very low key. Whereby we become maybe more supporters than -- 
MS. MORRIS: Of the social gospel people? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Supporters of other people. If someone is doing a, a really big food program, or something like that, and he says, "Thank the Lord, called you to do it," we'll support you as much as we can. 
MS. MORRIS: You don't get involved in that concept? 
DEACON MARSHALL: We don't -- well, we do do it, but not -- 
MS. MORRIS: But you have a prison ministry. 
DEACON MARSHALL: We have a prison ministry. We have a street ministry. We have a food ministry for small groups that go out and feed the homeless, the street people. We do things for the homeless people. We work with the cooperation of some of the agencies around town. We do all those things, but we keep that quiet. Because we don't want anybody to think that -- we want people to know that people can get -- we can help you as much as we can, but the major thing that we want you to know is that you can [inaudible]. And coming to know Christ, that's going to solve most of your problems. Just coming to know him. So we have a feeling, we get hooked up on people coming just for a handout here, coming for food, coming for a place to stay and all that, then they're not going to hear. They're not going to -- the gospel will be second place. We don't want it to be second place. We want it to be first place. So that's the reason why you don't really hear about the Bible Way homeless project. We're not -- you really aren't going to hear about that. 
MS. MORRIS: So you don't have apartment buildings, and things like that? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes, we do. 
MS. MORRIS: You do? 
DEACON MARSHALL: That big building right there -- 
MS. MORRIS: I told him. [Laughter] MR. : No, I said I didn't know. 
MS. MORRIS: Well, I said that, they're going to tell me that's that apartment building. Is that big big apartment building over there? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Not the one straight down in front of us. The one right over the street. [Inaudible] units in there. 
MS. MORRIS: See. 
DEACON MARSHALL: The one right -- see the one that you see right there? 
MS. MORRIS: That's yours? 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's ours. 
MS. MORRIS: That's right. My girlfriend used to live in that. And it was owned by Bible Way. 
DEACON MARSHALL: It's Bible Way. 
MS. MORRIS: So we want to make sure to take a picture of that. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's Bible Way. 
MS. MORRIS: So what year did that go up? [Inaudible]? 
DEACON MARSHALL: I forget what year that went up. 
MS. MORRIS: And that was part of the -- the urban renewal, right? 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. 
MS. MORRIS: Right. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Also, we [inaudible] -- 
MS. MORRIS: Two hundred and seventeen? 
DEACON MARSHALL: I think there's 240 units in that. I think. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. 
DEACON MARSHALL: The market right over here. That market that you see. Those town houses. That's Bible Way. And we're getting ready to build a senior citizens' home right next door. Right down here now. We're going to -- 
MS. MORRIS: Oh. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible] we'll be breaking ground on that pretty soon. 
MS. MORRIS: That's social gospel a little bit. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, we -- we know one thing, that our mission is only going to be proven by the fact that we have taken care of the widows, taken care of the orphans. And we've done a whole lot of other things. Maybe we haven't done them all at one time. We've done a lot of things, but we have not really taken care of the orphans and the widows. And we know that to prove to the whole world that Bible Way is a -- is a true of God, we've got to do something for the widows. So we're [inaudible]. And I'm excited about that. Now, we haven't done that for the children yet. The aspect of an orphanage has gone out of view now, because, you know, in the '60s and the '70s, they said that's the worst thing you could have for a child. But is the street better? So I don't know how long I'll be here. I'm just a person of influence. And I have [inaudible]. The next project that I've been talking about, naturally, is the campus. This whole area becoming a campus. And an orphanage. And of course, people don't believe in orphanages any more, but [inaudible]. But I think that's better than being on the street. 
MS. MORRIS: You have a lot of kids on the street right now? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, when I say that, I mean, you have kids that's being tossed to -- to here, to there. How many children actually go to different foster care homes in the area? We see [inaudible] the way a child should be treated. I've worked with D.C. foster care project. I used to work with the Department of Human Services, [inaudible] one of the areas that we did a lot of work with . And a lot of the people that take these kids, they did it for the money. 
MS. MORRIS: Most of them. In fact, I would say the great majority of them. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. So I'm saying that I really believe that a church that's called by God, that they have an obligation to the orphans. There's just no question. Scripture says that. 
MS. MORRIS: So that's going to be one of the things in the future you're going to try to -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, that's me now. That's mine -- that's what I want to talk about. So -- but I think also, I believe in a special home for the little kids that, through no fault of their own are born with AIDS [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Do you think you would try to combine this together? Take one house and have -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: I don't know. I know one thing, that we have spoken of these things here at Bible Way, and I don't believe that -- that Bible Way has some of these things. Now, we may not build a big, huge complex, but I think that if we were going to do it, say [inaudible] -- that facility there was up for sale, but there was so much that needed to be done. 
MS. MORRIS: It [inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: I think it's already been purchased. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. 
DEACON MARSHALL: But there was so much that had to be done to it. And we want to get a building where we can help abused parents, or spouses. But there was so much that had to be done to it, that -- 
MS. MORRIS: You decided not to get it. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, we would have lost our shirts on it. You see what I'm saying? 
MS. MORRIS: But you are -- you do have some more property you're looking at? 
DEACON MARSHALL: There's a building right down the street -- 
MS. MORRIS: Right down the street -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: But it's not going to be for -- that's going to be for the widows [inaudible]. Senior citizens. 
MS. MORRIS: Senior citizens. 
DEACON MARSHALL: But you know, if we wanted to, if that facility there had what we felt that what we needed, we would have purchased that. 
MS. MORRIS: Didn't that used to be an apartment building? 
DEACON MARSHALL: It still is. Now, one of the groups around the city here, around here, but the Catholic Church there and a few other, they combined together and they purchased that, and it's going to be a home for battered -- battered women. 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, wonderful. So you'll have the senior citizens group here. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Right. Senior citizens here. 
MS. MORRIS: And the battered women there. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. And it won't be ours, but nonetheless, we'll still -- 
MS. MORRIS: You'll be able to use it. You'll still use it. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. We all work together. 
MS. MORRIS: Work together. That's right. Well, that's wonderful. 
DEACON MARSHALL: So those are the exciting things that -- 
MS. MORRIS: Is that the Catholic church there, or [inaudible]? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. This is the school right here. This is the Catholic school. 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, great. 
DEACON MARSHALL: So it's -- 
MS. MORRIS: [Inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: It is. It's a -- it's a lot of things that needs to be done here. And it's a lot that needs to be done here in our country alone, you know. If America doesn't change the way it's going, it's going to be second rate. Any country that was built on the Judaeo-Christian ethics and the laws and governments have been countries that have excelled. As soon as they moved away from it, they went down. If America keeps moving from it, America is going to go down. 
MS. MORRIS: America is moving from it. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Socialist. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Strong. Germany was so strong because of their Judaeo-Christian views and everything, but now, look at what's happened to it. And it's all because they move away from -- from that stream. I don't care who you are. I mean, history has proven that those Judaeo-Christian ethics came into Europe, everything improved. [Inaudible], too. But -- but the quality of life and everything like that improved. So we are -- we are committed to really believe in that. 
MS. MORRIS: I'm not going to -- you just have so much, I'm not going to hold you. I don't know, he's [inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: And it is close to 5:00 o'clock. But I want to just ask you, do you have a newsletter or anything from your youth ministry that we might take, or something that we could just take away from Sunday service? And also, are you moving in any way towards Afrocentrism, where, you know, I see the [inaudible] but any, you know, Afrocentric type of Sunday School literature, or paintings? Was Smallwood Williams [inaudible]? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, you know, Bishop Williams was a worldwide traveler. And he was in Africa, and the islands and any number of times. You've got to know that he was from the old school. The aspect of -- of bringing in many of the -- the African cultures and things of this nature -- he was [inaudible], because he would say, "Now, wait a minute. Where it's good to know where you're from, but you want to be careful that you don't think that you've got to get a tag [inaudible], that you have to get a tag that is going to -- 
MS. MORRIS: To label you. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's going to label you and bring you back. I mean, like, we were while Bishop Williams was here, we were not going to get drums. We were not going to have somebody coming through here without his shirt on. And we're not going to wear the here. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. 
DEACON MARSHALL: the heads. 
MS. MORRIS: You didn't have any of that. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Right. 
MS. MORRIS: You still don't have drums? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, we have drums, but we don't have -- we have the bongoes, but we don't have anybody that's going to get up there and -- bonga bonga bonga. Or, you know -- or any of that. 
MS. MORRIS: You have regular -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yeah. Just have the regular drums. We're not going to -- if you want to wear some of the African , all that's fine. But you're not going to come in and have some kind of oblation to somebody, or -- you're not going to do that. It's not -- because we know that we're grown out of that, you know. We -- we use those things as [inaudible]. We also are very much aware of the spirited emotion and everything. And not only just that from Africa, but we also [inaudible] Asia and South America. And they bring in certain things. And no. No, no, no, no. You know. You're to going to drink blood, you know, animals' blood and all the rest of it. No. That is not in the Christian vein. And its not because we are black and we're over here in America, but we go to the Scriptures. So we sort of look at it, it's not just Africa, but we know that is from Africa. A lot of people don't really realize that, but that's because . But I don't think that we would get into that to any great degree. Now, because I've had African here the church. But we're not going to get into this thing about certain rites of passage -- 
MS. MORRIS: No, no. What I meant, like, black in the Bible. The pictures of Jesus as black. You know, black -- you know, Mary, and -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, yeah. We do those. 
MS. MORRIS: You do those. 
DEACON MARSHALL: We do those things. But we don't put that kind of emphasis on it, you know. We [inaudible] about it. We know that . And we look at, of course, the area, and we look at the way things were, but we know better than to try to put everybody in just one particular place, because it just wasn't like that. I mean, look at Scripture, and you what's going on today. You've got to know that this continent, here, you know, we say the Indians was here first, but you just can't say, really, who was here and who were the only ones that was here. It's just hard. So we don't even, you know, we don't get into that. If you look at Noah and the flood , we don't even try to figure out, say, it was this gene and this gene, and that gene, and therefore, all the races came up. We don't get into all that. We just know one thing, that after Noah and his sons -- he and his sons, and we [inaudible], and people are what we have today. Now, how it came about and everything like that, we say "Hey. Nobody has really given us a good answer to that. And we don't care what theologian it is. We have not been able to solve that." So we're hesitant about getting into , you know, those [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: So you don't have any depictions in -- that's a great picture over there, too. Well, before we go, can we get one picture -- can we get a picture of Bishop's office? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Sure. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. You want to get a picture -- [General conversation] 
MS. MORRIS: But you have tape and book ministry here, right? And you have a radio and TV ministry? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Yes. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. [General conversation] 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible] the books and -- his last book, we have gotten -- this is one of his books here. "This is My Story." And [inaudible] -- 
MS. MORRIS: Oh, this is what we want. We want stuff like this, too. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. [Recording interruption] 
DEACON MARSHALL: As I was saying, this is a political city here, and it's the most powerful city in the whole world. And we really know that. Anybody in their right mind knows that. But to really want to do a work for the Lord in this city, then you must realize that you have got to come in contact with the political scene. And being in contact with the political scene, you cannot be the one who's being used by the politicians. Actually, you have to be able to use the political system yourself. It's very hard for someone to come -- for a preacher to go to the politicians to find out what the people want. The politicians are supposed to come to the preacher to find out what the people want. The preacher is supposed to know the people, and is supposed to care for the people, and love the people. So why should it be, then, if the preacher loves the people, why does the preacher have to go to the politician? The politician is supposed to come to the preacher, as God said/set up (?). And, as I was saying, our pastor delivered many messages from Nehemiah. Nehemiah, when he came to rebuild the walls, as you know, he got permission from his king. His king looked at him and wondered why his countenance was so changed. And Nehemiah said to him, he says, "If your city was in ruins like my city was, you'd be sad, too." And right then and there, Nehemiah had this King eating out of his hands. And so it is, I believe, with all the ministers that really believe in the work that they're doing. If they're here in Washington, D.C., they've got to know about the political system. If they're out West, they don't need to know about it, they don't know about it, and they -- they don't like the political scene. And that can be understood. That's very understood. But if you're going to be here in Washington, D.C., where all the political people have all kinds of things aiming at you, you have got to get into this system. And that's -- 
MS. MORRIS: And Bishop Williams -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: -- what Bishop Williams did. Bishop Williams knew how to make the contact with different people in order to get what he felt was needed. In the '50s and the '60s and coming into the '70s, there was no black person or black organization that owned as much property as the Bible Way Church did. And the only way we were able to do that is because of the political conferences and the people that Bishop Williams had known, and they trusted that he was a man of integrity, which he was. Until his death, nobody could come against his integrity. So with that in mind, when it came down to trying to get this property and this property that people said, "All right, we believe that this man is a man of God. We'll do things to give it up." And that's what's been happening, and that's how we got the senior citizens' -- okay for the senior citizens' building, the other apartments, and the expansion of this church, and the other things. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. Thank you very much, Deacon Marshall. God bless you. And I know I'll be hearing -- [Recording interruption] 
MS. MORRIS: They're going on line, they said, and they're going to be putting all their computers and videos on line. This is one of the visions that they have. [Recording interruption] 
MS. MORRIS: The new digital that he has is going to be set up, and he can sit at home with his modem. 
DEACON MARSHALL: That's right. And we can do a lot of work from home. Or not necessarily from home. We might want to be out in California. Way down in Texas, or something like -- 
MS. MORRIS: Or you the person working on that? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, I'm working on it with a group. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. 
DEACON MARSHALL: And the pastor, he's very much aware, and he's -- 
MS. MORRIS: So when you say "a group," a group in the church? 
DEACON MARSHALL: A group in the church. 
MS. MORRIS: Doing research? 
DEACON MARSHALL: They're doing the research, and they're doing the implementation. We've already started. 
MS. MORRIS: So what's your projected, the year? 
DEACON MARSHALL: The projected date for this to be set up? 
MS. MORRIS: Uh-huh. 
DEACON MARSHALL: Probably by June. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. So you'll have -- everything will be done, computer, offices, administration, everything. 
DEACON MARSHALL: And also what we hope to do, coming this year, in September, we hope to have a computer lab, and we want to even train some of the people from the -- from the neighborhood, get some of the young kids, and even some of the older ones, to come in, and we at least will teach them about the computers. And make them computer literacy. So that will give them an opportunity -- [BEGIN SIDE B] 
DEACON MARSHALL: Second, third, fourth, fifth, seventh. Something like that. Of July. 
MS. MORRIS: Do you know -- Deacon, I have that in my notes to ask you about the Bible Way worldwide convention. And I didn't ask you, because we were running late. And -- so it's going to be here this year? 
DEACON MARSHALL: It's going to be here. It will be right here -- 
MS. MORRIS: July -- 
DEACON MARSHALL: First week in July. 
MS. MORRIS: All right. So we got to [inaudible]. 
DEACON MARSHALL: And right in this auditorium. 
MS. MORRIS: You're going to turn this city out, aren't you? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, we're -- 
MS. MORRIS: Are you going to be big enough to hold it? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Well, this -- this, this facility here -- 
MS. MORRIS: Uh-huh. 
DEACON MARSHALL: We can house about 8,000 people this building. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. You've got a lot going on here. That's right, because you've got these two -- you've got these two sanctuaries. You can do anything. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Yeah. 
DEACON MARSHALL: If you look around, we've got the gymnasiums -- 
MS. MORRIS: Because the Blue Room seats 400, doesn't it? 
DEACON MARSHALL: The Blue Room can seat about 600, if we serve them. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. 
DEACON MARSHALL: If you want to send people in there, there's a [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Okay. 
DEACON MARSHALL: -- still use the other churches . We can use their facilities, because [inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Have you ever done this before? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, yes. 
MS. MORRIS: Have you ever had a big convention like this? 
DEACON MARSHALL: Oh, yes. 
MS. MORRIS: Well, it makes me jealous. Makes me wish I was a Bible Way member. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
MS. MORRIS: Now, if I come down here in July, act like you never met me before. We have our cameras and everything. 
DEACON MARSHALL: [Inaudible]. 
 

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